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This was the conversation between two contradictories opinions (see the video here in the same Web site), one of Tariq Ramdan and in the other side, De Villiers who every Frenchman can remember his personal statement: “France, love it or leave it”…

Tariq Ramadan was born in Geneva (Switzerland) and he is a Swiss Muslim academic and theologian. He emphasizes the heterogeneous nature of Islamic society. He believes that Muslims in Europe have to establish a new “European Islam” and emphasizes the necessity for their engagement in European society. He is bravely religious and believes that Islam can be a useful antidote to contemporary secularism in Europe and here I said in France.

As he is being introduced by many journalists, the man seems having a “double discourse”. They mean that he says to French Muslims one thing, and to french politicians another thing witch is absolutely contradictory with the first one.

Tariq Ramadan believes that the Charia (the body of Islamic law) of French Muslims is their sum of republican laws in spite of there’s some of French laws witch are against the pivots of Islamic religion.

For De Villiers, who is planning to run for the French presidency in 2007, he has based his campaign for the presidential elections of April 2007, on his opposition to the rampant Islamisation of France. He said in his book titled “Les mosques de Roissy”, that Islam is a particular religion witch doesn’t and will not want to integrate the French “society”. It means that Muslims don’t want to be considered themselves like a part of the core of French society. In fact, he is unaware of that the real problem of the Islam in France is in the case in point a social problem before it comes a big real problem of the social and political development of France.

De Villiers and many others of those politicians who are always speaking in the television ignore what’s the real of practising or may be being a Muslim. De Villiers and others “politicians of the first plan” want to change the laws and to give a new definition to the secular republic. The secular republic is and was always respecting the practise of any religion without any restriction. I want to say, that all French Muslims and French Politicians are in a dilemma, so what’s this dilemma:

For French Muslims:

- A big problem to understand that to practise Islam in a foreign country is totally different to do it in Arabic or Muslim countries. It’s real that if any one wishes to shackle the man who is practising a religion with its mores and traditions, is that this one is may be racist or in general doesn’t respect the conviction and the mindsets of others, and this is totally rejected. So this is the first big problem in the French Muslim community; they want that a secular republic defend not their prerogatives but some ones want that the government finances the mosques, keep veils in schools, and so on of these requests that are not compatible with the secular morals. So it can be the first big problem of French Muslims, they want to be accepted in the society with their morals.

- The second big problem, is that they’re feeling that they are not leaving normally especially after that Islam was being as a synonym of terrorism (witch is not real). It’s a big and another different subject, but to be clear, in Islam, they’re a lot of heterodoxies and heresies, and the terrorist seems to decipher and interpret the verses of Coran like they want and not like it’s really seems to be. The real Islam is peace and loves all other religions. As an example, the prophet of Islam Mohammad, was one time in a street, and a funeral of a Jew was taking place, so he saw that and he stopped so the funeral pass and he after that had continued his steps, one of his “Sahaba” (like companions) asked him why he did that, his answer was that this deceased Jew is an human, and his meaning was that this Jew has to be respected. I said that this fear witch we find it in the too sides of French Muslims and some “others” French people is a real big social problem. Some French Muslims don’t feel that they are French, and others are ready to be Muslim before to be French. But in Islam, the religion is the first thing that a Muslim has to deal with. Thus, when you’re in country like France, these Muslims has to know that the Islam has to a private practise, so if they not agree with some laws, they don’t have the choice, they have to respect the laws but without touching obviously to the core of their religion.

You know when Islam is becoming a big deal for the most French politicians with the fact that Islam is on the rise in the restive suburbs, French-style secularism is being questioned.

Let’s talk now about the dilemma of the politicians in France:

- In the occidental countries and may be in some Arab countries, the fear of the external pressure from the called “Islamists” seems to heighten. So if France gives or cogitates to give more rights and advantages to Muslim community, this later can intermingle the two supports to create a new extremist ideology in France. So this approach seems to be perilous.

- Islam is not very known and read by the “others”, so every verse of the Coran can be interpreted as any one want to do it. For example, when we talk about veil in Islam, it means that women should get dressed to not excite mans (it’s just a concept that must normally be respected as well as possible by all non-Muslims). So in France for example, we find Ségolène Royal and others of those politicians who talk about “women‘s submission”!, appointing the fact of a women to take a veil. But the problem who takes these people to consider it a submission is certainly some “Muslims”, who are giving this image of veil as a huge pedestal of Islam, but in the reality, veil is not a proof of conviction. The proof is always attached to our heart and our intention…

To sum up, I’ve read one time that De Villepin has agreed with Sorbonne and Aussies universities to teach student imams secular subjects needed to understand the French society. Good idea. Islam, in general is different when we “practise” it in Muslim country than we “practise” it in a foreign country as in France. In the first country, “Life has to approach to Islam and not the contrary” but in the second one, “French Muslims have to do more and more efforts to respect the French ideology and the republican laws”. And this is not against the vision of Islam, because this great religion, respect all the others religions and different points of views.